Head and Neck Restraint

turn4 · 1/24/08, 8:16 PM

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Originally Posted by aussiemidgetfan

that is crap and you know it. People are attracted to the racing by the speed and the overtaking.

People are attracted by the SPEED and DANGER!:checkered: Overtaking, give me a break.:sleep:

smbpreformance · 1/24/08, 8:24 PM

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Originally Posted by turn4

People are attracted by the SPEED and DANGER!:checkered: Overtaking, give me a break.:sleep:

Overtaking is a large part of the sport ask F1 about why they are putting together a new rules package.

I would rather see 30 laps like a sprint week main at K-mo then watch the thousands ands thousands of $$$$ get destroyed.....but we each have what we like in the sport

Charles Nungester · 1/24/08, 8:30 PM

Im with Cecil. While I believe it's every drivers responsibility to be the best informed possible and use whatever necessary. I don't think you can call them stupid for prefering one or another.

Danger is a huge draw of sprint car racing. Unfortunate but true, We got a whole thread about crashes, Video's ect. So much so that many wouldn't remember who won on what night but they'll remember them twenty barrel rolls for life.

Overtaking? that means someone got passed which is what the sport has always been about.

I've seen up close what danger is, Many found out what danger is and some are living with the consequences of that danger while many are not.

Whats it proven that a Hans hurts more than it helps? A broken collar bone? Far better than a broken neck.

For those complaining about the cost of USAC's rule? You've had a year now. The complaints are over where last year a gripe would have been somewhat legit about cost ect. Im still not saying their rule is the best but it's their rule.

Chuck, saying I go for good racing and to see the drivers race again. But take away the excitement and the danger of it and Yeah, Might as well watch it on TV or just play the video game, Unless you have a Stroke at the Joystick (Pardon Pun) Theres not danger to it.

turn4 · 1/24/08, 8:49 PM

I saw my first race in 1950. Midget race at Bloomington. I was 6 years old. I don't remember if there were any wrecks. I know they were going fast and that **** wasn't safe! I wanted to go back because of the speed and danger. Those men were hell on wheels. I was hooked on racing! I became a race fan. Today (57 years later) I'm still a race fan. The races I enjoy the most today are the ones that go GREEN, WHITE, CHECKERED! (No cautions)
Point is, as a kid I loved the SPEED and DANGER factor. That is what drew me to the sport.

sprinter25 · 1/24/08, 9:05 PM

Just noting - directly from the WoO 2008 rulebook, which is found under the "Downloads" tab on the WoO web page...

d) Head and Neck restraints are strongly recommended.

So the WoO does NOT mandate the HANS, or any other device.....

RacinJason · 1/24/08, 9:06 PM

Why should a device that causes injuries be acceptable? I've heard many people make the statement a broken collar bone is better than a broken neck. You know what would be even better? A piece of safety equipment that doesn't injure you. That's the one I would want. All the it saved his life statements are getting old too. There is no proof that the device actually saved a life. Period! Did it possibly stop some injuries? Maybe but no proof of that either. There is proof however of injuries caused by them. I'm not saying you shouldn't wear one. If you want to and feel safe go for it. I do not want injuries from it. The driver should have the choice...

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Charles Nungester · 1/24/08, 9:19 PM

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Originally Posted by RacinJason

Why should a device that causes injuries be acceptable? I've heard many people make the statement a broken collar bone is better than a broken neck. You know what would be even better? A piece of safety equipment that doesn't injure you. That's the one I would want. All the it saved his life statements are getting old too. There is no proof that the device actually saved a life. Period! Did it possibly stop some injuries? Maybe but no proof of that either. There is proof however of injuries caused by them. I'm not saying you shouldn't wear one. If you want to and feel safe go for it. I do not want injuries from it. The driver should have the choice...

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Not disrespecting you here but there's no proof a seatbelt saved a life either. They could have been thrown clear and been fine. Then again, They might not have.

Im not saying a broken collar bones a good thing but I know about ten drivers on the sidelines because of neck vertabra deterioration and two that are paralized. How many instances since the mandate??????? This might be something only time will tell.

Chuck

1/24/08, 9:20 PM

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Originally Posted by RacinJason

Why should a device that causes injuries be acceptable? I've heard many people make the statement a broken collar bone is better than a broken neck. You know what would be even better? A piece of safety equipment that doesn't injure you. That's the one I would want. All the it saved his life statements are getting old too. There is no proof that the device actually saved a life. Period! Did it possibly stop some injuries? Maybe but no proof of that either. There is proof however of injuries caused by them. I'm not saying you shouldn't wear one. If you want to and feel safe go for it. I do not want injuries from it. The driver should have the choice...

Attitudes like this are perfect examples of why head and neck devices need to be mandated. Most racers are too dumb to even consider their own safety.

Sandy Lowe · 1/24/08, 9:26 PM

You sure can tell it's cold outside and it has been a long winter when everyone starts arguing about safety equipment.

:angry-smiley-007:

RacinJason · 1/24/08, 9:37 PM

No disrespect taken Chuck. I'm just voicing my opinion on it as everyone else has. Like I said. If someone feels safe with it by all means wear it. I'm not saying to ban it. I'm not comfortable with it. I think it needs to be addressed as a safety issue in itself. By all means perfect it. I just think the driver should have a choice. In my midget I have NO choice. So I wear it. In my sprint car it is not required. It will sit in the trailer.

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1/24/08, 8:30 PM	#33 Re: Head and Neck Restraint
Charles Nungester Senior Member Race Count This Year: 6 Race Count Last Year: 14 Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 21,732	Im with Cecil. While I believe it's every drivers responsibility to be the best informed possible and use whatever necessary. I don't think you can call them stupid for prefering one or another. Danger is a huge draw of sprint car racing. Unfortunate but true, We got a whole thread about crashes, Video's ect. So much so that many wouldn't remember who won on what night but they'll remember them twenty barrel rolls for life. Overtaking? that means someone got passed which is what the sport has always been about. I've seen up close what danger is, Many found out what danger is and some are living with the consequences of that danger while many are not. Whats it proven that a Hans hurts more than it helps? A broken collar bone? Far better than a broken neck. For those complaining about the cost of USAC's rule? You've had a year now. The complaints are over where last year a gripe would have been somewhat legit about cost ect. Im still not saying their rule is the best but it's their rule. Chuck, saying I go for good racing and to see the drivers race again. But take away the excitement and the danger of it and Yeah, Might as well watch it on TV or just play the video game, Unless you have a Stroke at the Joystick (Pardon Pun) Theres not danger to it. __________________ Charles Nungester

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1/24/08, 8:49 PM	#34 Re: Head and Neck Restraint
turn4 Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 1,504	I saw my first race in 1950. Midget race at Bloomington. I was 6 years old. I don't remember if there were any wrecks. I know they were going fast and that **** wasn't safe! I wanted to go back because of the speed and danger. Those men were hell on wheels. I was hooked on racing! I became a race fan. Today (57 years later) I'm still a race fan. The races I enjoy the most today are the ones that go GREEN, WHITE, CHECKERED! (No cautions) Point is, as a kid I loved the SPEED and DANGER factor. That is what drew me to the sport.

1/24/08, 9:05 PM	#35 Re: Head and Neck Restraint
sprinter25 Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 547	Just noting - directly from the WoO 2008 rulebook, which is found under the "Downloads" tab on the WoO web page... d) Head and Neck restraints are strongly recommended. So the WoO does NOT mandate the HANS, or any other device.....

1/24/08, 9:06 PM	#36 Re: Head and Neck Restraint
RacinJason Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 111	Why should a device that causes injuries be acceptable? I've heard many people make the statement a broken collar bone is better than a broken neck. You know what would be even better? A piece of safety equipment that doesn't injure you. That's the one I would want. All the it saved his life statements are getting old too. There is no proof that the device actually saved a life. Period! Did it possibly stop some injuries? Maybe but no proof of that either. There is proof however of injuries caused by them. I'm not saying you shouldn't wear one. If you want to and feel safe go for it. I do not want injuries from it. The driver should have the choice... .

1/24/08, 9:26 PM	#39 Re: Head and Neck Restraint
Sandy Lowe Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 2,699	You sure can tell it's cold outside and it has been a long winter when everyone starts arguing about safety equipment. :angry-smiley-007:

1/24/08, 9:37 PM	#40 Re: Head and Neck Restraint
RacinJason Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 111	No disrespect taken Chuck. I'm just voicing my opinion on it as everyone else has. Like I said. If someone feels safe with it by all means wear it. I'm not saying to ban it. I'm not comfortable with it. I think it needs to be addressed as a safety issue in itself. By all means perfect it. I just think the driver should have a choice. In my midget I have NO choice. So I wear it. In my sprint car it is not required. It will sit in the trailer. .