[nathans1012]

Originally Posted by 767 They paid out alot of money last year. Good crowds and good car counts, but the money paid out was equivalent to 2 and 3 day shows. I will be the first to admit, I did not attend or subscribe to there events. So I am not sure if they had enough sponsors to cover all that got paid out. There were alot of questions swirling in the LM world about the series. It is obvious the checks were clearing as the same big drivers are still showing up.

Payout comes mostly from XR Streaming subscriptions and some small sponsors. Not having the race has nothing to do with $money$.

Also, only reason many of the September races where dropped is so Barry Braun (XR Boss) can get the old Pennsboro Speedway in West Virginia up and going again. They have been working on it since late last year.

P.S. Barry is one who puts his money where his mouth is. He is running a number of $100,000 to win dirt races this year, in a number of different divisions include a race this week at 300 Raceway in Farley, Iowa for dirt Stock Cars "XR Stock Car Rampage" https://www.facebook.com/stockcarrampage. He has a few more $100K to win races to run this year for 604 Crate Late Models and a few other divisions. He promoted a $100K to win Modified race back in early May at Mississippi Thunder Speedway in Wisconsin.

Not including the super late models here are the huge events Barry Braun in promoting this year.
The Big Deal Modifieds (100K to win) (May 29th - June 1st) at Mississippi Thunder Speedway in Wisconsin
XR Stock Car Rampage - ($100K to win (August 27th-31st) at 300 Raceway in Farley, Iowa - https://www.facebook.com/stockcarrampage
XR 604 Nationals ($100K to win) (December 11th-14th) at Golden Isles Speedway in Georgia - https://www.facebook.com/604nationals
XR 602 Nationals ($50k to win) (October 18th-19th) at Ultimate Motorsports Park in North Carolina - https://www.facebook.com/602nationals

[767]

Originally Posted by nathans1012 Payout comes mostly from XR Streaming subscriptions and some small sponsors. Not having the race has nothing to do with $money$. Also, only reason many of the September races where dropped is so Barry Braun (XR Boss) can get the old Pennsboro Speedway in West Virginia up and going again. They have been working on it since late last year. P.S. Barry is one who puts his money where his mouth is. He is running a number of $100,000 to win dirt races this year, in a number of different divisions include a race this week at 300 Raceway in Farley, Iowa for dirt Stock Cars "XR Stock Car Rampage" https://www.facebook.com/stockcarrampage. He has a few more $100K to win races to run this year for 604 Crate Late Models and a few other divisions. He promoted a $100K to win Modified race back in early May at Mississippi Thunder Speedway in Wisconsin. Not including the super late models here are the huge events Barry Braun in promoting this year. The Big Deal Modifieds (100K to win) (May 29th - June 1st) at Mississippi Thunder Speedway in Wisconsin XR Stock Car Rampage - ($100K to win (August 27th-31st) at 300 Raceway in Farley, Iowa - https://www.facebook.com/stockcarrampage XR 604 Nationals ($100K to win) (December 11th-14th) at Golden Isles Speedway in Georgia - https://www.facebook.com/604nationals XR 602 Nationals ($50k to win) (October 18th-19th) at Ultimate Motorsports Park in North Carolina - https://www.facebook.com/602nationals

Yes you are right. Looking at the business model, it is clear the Super late model races did not pan out as expected last year. He would have done them again. Instead, he downsized many of those races this year. Who could blame him? His event schedule is very interesting for this year. He is embracing smaller classes. Will this increase the streaming revenue? It has a good chance to. Plus as you already see this week, drivers stepping down to chase the money. Pennsboro is going to be interesting.

[767]

Originally Posted by DirtTrackTherapy16J Good topic Nathans, I did not know the change until you posted it. Your always spot on with info like that and I appreciate it and your time. Love your slogan too!! With that said, here we go...and yeah long read so for some of you if you can't handle it, just back out or keep scrolling, I could care less. Many things that have already been said on this thread are true or partially true. We all have to realize that this is not LM Country. The Spring XRSS LM race and Modified race this year in 2024 was such d*mn good racing. Sprint Car Fans Only don't like hearing that, but it was some of the best racing in the tracks history. However, it was not very well attended at all. Week day, school night, work night, blah blah blah b*llshit excuses, the race was over and it wasnt even dark yet. This isn't LM Country and they were just coming off a long weekend at Eldora with big money. Also the Spring LM race at Kokomo was only $10K-$15K. That's low for those drivers and those cars. Last year one of the XRSS races at Kokomo was $50K-$100K that makes a huge difference on car count and fans and with it being Nonwing Country.

As you said the timing was not good. If you look at the Castrol night in America races, they have realized they need to be 1 or 2 days BEFORE a big race. When they do there stand alone shows, the crowd is not there. I think it is easier for the traveling fans to justify 1 more day. Even when they run at a track 1 or 2 hours away, that will detour several fans. They want to camp in one place. Only 1 set up and tear down. I get that.

Man you are right the late models put on one heck of a show. I honestly never expected them to run as well as they do. Cudos to the track for being able to prepare as well as they do. Its going to take LO or WOO to come in on a weekend and do a decent size show. #1 this area is not starved for great racing. Heck the locals see it week in week out. So they are not going to go out of there way. School, work, weather, ect.. will always detour these people. Now you run that same style of event on a Saturday night, I think the fans will pour in. It pains me to say this.... but I think I would rather go watch a 100 lap race at Kokomo than at Brownstown. The Jackson 100 is a big race. Brings in alot of cars. Make a guy wonder if LO could have another great race on Sunday night here. This weekend they go from Portsmith Speedway to Tyler County Speedway, 3hours 13min drive. Brownstown to Kokomo is only 2 hours 22min.

[hoosier race fan]

Originally Posted by 767 It pains me to say this.... but I think I would rather go watch a 100 lap race at Kokomo than at Brownstown. The Jackson 100 is a big race. Brings in alot of cars. Make a guy wonder if LO could have another great race on Sunday night here. This weekend they go from Portsmith Speedway to Tyler County Speedway, 3hours 13min drive. Brownstown to Kokomo is only 2 hours 22min.

They did almost exactly that in 2019. Kokomo was scheduled on the night before the Jackson 100, which was a Friday night instead of Sunday. Really good crowd and a good race that was won by Tyler Erb. Unfortunately, it hasn’t appeared on the Lucas Oil series schedule since then.

[767]

Originally Posted by hoosier race fan They did almost exactly that in 2019. Kokomo was scheduled on the night before the Jackson 100, which was a Friday night instead of Sunday. Really good crowd and a good race that was won by Tyler Erb. Unfortunately, it hasn’t appeared on the Lucas Oil series schedule since then.

I think that is about the time Brownstown expanded to 2 days. When they wanted all "crown Jewel" events to be weekend events. Did the late models run good then? Tracks and cars evolve over time. 5 years does not seem like alot, but the LM have changed a ton in 5 years.

[racefan20]

The year they opened Circle City had WoO late models and Hell Tour. The crowd was larger than USAC sprint week. No major series LM's since. I'm really surprised they havent scheduled them again.

[racegal]

The Klash includes The Bob Darland Memorial (Darland Classic) this year!

[767]

Completely different owners now. I know they have atleast 1 $10,000 to win Late Model race. They have strategically scheduled it to pull some names. 2023 Josh rice won it. 5/17 They ran it this year. 1. Thorton 2. Tyler Erb, 3. Josh Rice, 4. Tanner English, 5. James rice. They had 26 cars.

[Grocery Guy]

So, I guess I'm late to this post but have been reading it all along. Why is Kokomo not racing tonight, Sunday night? They've raced Sunday night before Labor Day for years. Was it because they had the late model show scheduled for tomorrow, Monday night? I don't get it. Kokomo is supposed to be Indiana's baddest bullring. Yet they probably have raced the fewest dates ever this year. And never even rescheduled the BC IN Double, which seems troubling. Just keep the trophy for next year> Have times gotten that tough for Kokomo Speedway? It's sunny, 80 degrees. Most don't work tomorrow. 59,000 people live in Kokomo. Can't find 1,500 people to attend racing tonight? Maybe next year.

[Rpracing1]

Originally Posted by Grocery Guy So, I guess I'm late to this post but have been reading it all along. Why is Kokomo not racing tonight, Sunday night? They've raced Sunday night before Labor Day for years. Was it because they had the late model show scheduled for tomorrow, Monday night? I don't get it. Kokomo is supposed to be Indiana's baddest bullring. Yet they probably have raced the fewest dates ever this year. And never even rescheduled the BC IN Double, which seems troubling. Just keep the trophy for next year> Have times gotten that tough for Kokomo Speedway? It's sunny, 80 degrees. Most don't work tomorrow. 59,000 people live in Kokomo. Can't find 1,500 people to attend racing tonight? Maybe next year.

Fairly certain that IBBR's next-door neighbor, DirtTrackTherapy16J, should have the answer to this question.