[DAD]

If every piece on my cars did not come from a Midget except for the engine I could see your point. I own and race an FSC midget race car with with a 1000 cc Kawasali motor in it. If I had a few more thousand dollars I could put in a midget motor and rear end and race with the midgets. But I'm having too much fun racing mini-sprints with the Bill May and the MMSA. I don't however think I could put a 410 in and they would let me race with the sprint cars. Maybe if I raced with a nose wing I would feel more like a Lightning Sprint whatever a "Lightning" is. I know that a Focus midget is a midget race car with a Ford Focus motor instead of the $30,000 midget motor. I know than an eco-tec midget is a midget race car with a GM eco-tec motor in it. Im a little slow but that make sense to me. I can see the car and I can see the motor used in the car. I even know that a Kenyon midget is a midget race car with a 1200 cc Yamaha motor in it designed by Don and Mel Kenyon. Im just saying back in the early eighty's somebody screwed up. Hell back then we had 4 wide parade laps, started on the back straightway and raced back to the yellow if the outlaws did it we did it too. It was the trendy thing to do You know like "mini skirts"

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I think I was just called an "old man".

[buckshot3448]

i think your beating a dead horse here. almost everyone changed the name to lightning with in the last 2 years. they wont change it again and it doesn't need to be changed. so what if it looks like a midget and has midget parts that doesn't mean that it is a midget its a lightning/mini sprint. theres nothing wrong with assoiciating it with a sprint car there just a scaled down version. this topic seems to keep coming up again and again and gets nowhere. its time to move on and leave it be and worry about more important things.

Dad, if your refering to my post I didnt call anyone a old man. My car sits in front of our place and we have quite a few folks stop and look at it. The younger generation always calls it a minisprint, the elderly usually refer to it as a midget. If it has wings personally I call it a piece of $%*!.

[DAD]

What is a "Lightning"?******* "Back it in" 95% of*** our*** racing is done with wings.

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I went on-line to try to find the origin of "lightning sprint" couldn't do it, but I did find that those crazy people Down under are taking v/6 motors and putting them in midget chassis and calling them "lightning sprints". That would be a real racey car. Since USAC did away with the v/6 motor. We could probably make a class that was faster than both the sprints and midgets of today, Remember Glen Niebel and Ralph Potter They ran away with both USAC sprint car and midget title's with little v/6 motors. We should probably call this class "V/6 midgets" or maybe "V/6 Spridget".

Could you guys maybe have picked up the term "Lightning" from the popular cartoon show "Johny Lightning"?

Why does everyone think that faster is always better ? The best racing anywhere around here are the 600 nonwing micro's at Hamlin PA. If 95% of your racing is done with wings, personally I believe 95% of your racing sucks.

[DAD]

SO SAD BUD you don't got no 600 sidewinder you need to be working up a trade or not race because the 1200's in your neck of the woods run wings also most of the time.

[TM123]

I think the name thing is relivant to where you are and or who you run with. If you run with sprints then Mini Sprint fits nicely. If you run where there are no sprints just fender cars then lightning works. I think any way you go you are going to get confusion out there from the casual race fan.

Originally Posted by DAD SO SAD BUD you don't got no 600 sidewinder you need to be working up a trade or not race because the 1200's in your neck of the woods run wings also most of the time.

Well if your refering to me I bought exactly what I wanted because a 1000/1200 LIGHTNING SPRINT in my opinion is the finest racecar you can have without being rich. Also I've raced enuff in my lifetime to NOT run what I dont like. As far as the 600's go we just got one for my daughter to run at Hamlin. The 600 is a sweet LITTLE car. We also have a big block modified at our disposal, on the bullrings around here a 1200 posts the same if not faster times then the big block taxi cabs. Save the sad for someone who needs it.

[DAD]

He re is an open letter to all mini sprinters dated 2009. This guy is with the NLSA National Lightning Sprint Association located in "Canada". They race 750 cc mini sprints up there and he wants us all on the same page. Now I know "Lightning" is a market idea and doesn't represent anything. Now I'm going to work on the 750cc idea.


An Open Letter to Upright “Mini‐Sprint” Promoters and Drivers
Written by: Darren Pallen (President: Northern Lightning Sprint Association, Winnipeg, Canada)
Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Darren Pallen. I have been involved in the sport of auto racing for over 20 years. In the early 1990s, I raced Mini‐Sprints (a 750 c.c. Bishop Racing Components car) before moving on to full‐size Sprint Cars for three seasons. Since retiring from racing in 1997, I have spent the last eleven years performing motorsports announcing duties including events like Monster Jam, the IHRA, and several local stock car and motocross tracks.
When I made the decision to return to driving a race car early in 2008, I quickly realized that building a full‐size Sprint Car program would not be an option due to soaring costs. I then looked at several different stock car divisions, and the results were exactly the same. Most surprising, however, was what I found with the Mini‐Sprint class. It is this discovery that prompted me to write this commentary.
Following several months of research, I concluded that very little has changed in the Mini‐Sprint world in terms of the way these cars are being marketed throughout North America. Further, I discovered that Mini‐Sprint rules (especially engine rules) have not yet fallen in line with what these cars were originally intended to be (affordable). In summary, I found that many of the same things that were hurting the growth of Mini‐Sprint racing back in the 1990s are still prevalent today.
Let’s begin with marketing. In short, the term “Mini‐Sprint” is a very poor representation of a modern day upright, midget‐based, motorcycle engine powered Sprint Car. Without a doubt, these are full‐blown, legitimate race cars. In the exact words of Pat Mooney, a broadcasting friend of mine here in Canada, there is nothing “mini” about these cars. They are built to the same specifications as a full‐size Sprint Car, and in my opinion carry engines that are far more technically advanced than anything else found at a dirt track. In fact, they may be the most technically advanced production engines on the planet. Yet, we continue to call these cars “Mini‐Sprints”. If you were a sports a, would you be eager to go watch a “Mini‐Football” game? A “Mini‐Baseball” game? Or how about a “Mini‐Hockey” game? Likely not.
I ask that all upright 750 c.c./1000 c.c. “Mini‐Sprint” organizations consider removing all evidence of the word “Mini‐Sprint” in your advertising and other correspondence and replace it with the more professional term “Lightning Sprint”. I believe this will help our organizations gain better credibility with fans and promoters and help to achieve better payouts through a more professional image. Today, success is achieved through a sound marketing program, no matter what your business may be. The term “Lightning Sprint” is much more marketable than “Mini‐Sprint”. The use of “Lightning Sprint” will also help distinguish our upright cars from that of the smaller cars in the Micro‐Sprint division. In my estimation, it is quite easy for the casual fan to mix up “Mini” and “Micro”. Changing to the term “Lightning Sprints” will help eliminate this confusion.
In all forms of racing, creating a “universal” rule book has always been a huge challenge. There is no doubt that a “universal” North American Lightning Sprint rule book would be great for everyone, but it would certainly not be easy to execute. However, imagine for a moment the opportunity to be able to travel amongst all upright Lightning Sprint organizations, knowing that you have the same equipment as everyone else. The benefits are simply endless.
My idea of a sustainable rules package for Lightning Sprint racing is based around the use of completely stock motorcycle engines burning pump gasoline only (the same way they left the factory). Back in the 1990s, I was disappointed to find many Mini‐Sprint organizations that promoted unreasonably expensive engine rules. This problem has not changed with many organizations to this day. Why do we need highly‐modified, expensive motorcycle engines in these cars? If Joe Racer wants to spend that kind of money building an engine that is far less reliable than when it left the factory, then my thought is that Joe Racer might want to consider racing full‐size Sprint Cars.
The opportunity to “re‐brand” and “re‐market” Lightning Sprint racing has never been better than it is right now. Rising costs in stock car racing (Street Stocks, Super Stocks, Modifieds, etc.) are making it tough, if not impossible for these drivers to continue. If we collectively market and create truly affordable rules packages for Lightning Sprints in the correct fashion, we can attract many drivers from these other classes, as well as provide an affordable racing opportunity for younger drivers who wish to graduate from their starter classes. Collectively, let’s see what we can do to make this sport more attainable for everyone. Our ultimate success or failure, in my opinion, will be directly linked to our rule books.
When we created the Northern Lightning Sprint Association (www.nlsprints.com), our goal was to make certain this class ended up in the position that it was originally intended to be: fun, fast and affordable. Using a democratic voting process and the long‐term vision of many excited new drivers, we created a rule book that will serve to keep this sport growing in Canada for many years to come. It is important to note that the NLSA has only been in existence since October of 2008. And although we have yet to turn a wheel as an organization, I am proud to announce that the NLSA already has 14 cars ready to race in 2009. My guess is that we will have several more very soon.
Your comments and observations are welcome at dpallen@darrenpallen.com
Regards,
Darren Pallen
www.nlsprints.com

[Wayne Davis]

Originally Posted by DAD Let’s begin with marketing. In short, the term “Mini‐Sprint” is a very poor representation of a modern day upright, midget‐based, motorcycle engine powered Sprint Car. Without a doubt, these are full‐blown, legitimate race cars. In the exact words of Pat Mooney, a broadcasting friend of mine here in Canada, there is nothing “mini” about these cars. They are built to the same specifications as a full‐size Sprint Car, and in my opinion carry engines that are far more technically advanced than anything else found at a dirt track. In fact, they may be the most technically advanced production engines on the planet. Yet, we continue to call these cars “Mini‐Sprints”. If you were a sports a, would you be eager to go watch a “Mini‐Football” game? A “Mini‐Baseball” game? Or how about a “Mini‐Hockey” game? Likely not. I ask that all upright 750 c.c./1000 c.c. “Mini‐Sprint” organizations consider removing all evidence of the word “Mini‐Sprint” in your advertising and other correspondence and replace it with the more professional term “Lightning Sprint”. I believe this will help our organizations gain better credibility with fans and promoters and help to achieve better payouts through a more professional image. Today, success is achieved through a sound marketing program, no matter what your business may be. The term “Lightning Sprint” is much more marketable than “Mini‐Sprint”. The use of “Lightning Sprint” will also help distinguish our upright cars from that of the smaller cars in the Micro‐Sprint division. In my estimation, it is quite easy for the casual fan to mix up “Mini” and “Micro”. Changing to the term “Lightning Sprints” will help eliminate this confusion. The opportunity to “re‐brand” and “re‐market” Lightning Sprint racing has never been better than it is right now. Rising costs in stock car racing (Street Stocks, Super Stocks, Modifieds, etc.) are making it tough, if not impossible for these drivers to continue.

This is EXACTLY what I have been trying to say!!