[Anderson36]

I've worked on both and believe me the old ones are so much more user friendly. 10,000 dzus buttons on the new tanks

I am intrested in hearing the outcome of the meeting SC96 is talking about.

let me preface my pose with the fact i am only suggesting this as something interesting to think about as i have had a little fun mulling over the pro's and con's of the current situation with the silver crown series.

i believe that the old SC cars are definately the real ones, but from a business perspective usac imo needs to take into consideration the people who have supported them in this snafu known as the new pavement car and to junk the new car all together would be a slap in the face to those that supported them in the new endeavor (not that it wasnt a slap to the original owners when they found out their cars were no longer legal) but two wrongs certainly doesnt make a right.

the idea i had was 6 races on dirt, 6 races with the old cars, 6 races with the new cars. a gold crown would be cool but is another series to promote manage and make work which imo usac has plenty to keep their hands full now. a schedule might look like.

Dirt:
-manzy
-terre haute
-eldora
-springfield
-duquoin
-indy

Old Pavement:
-IRP
-Richmond
-milwaukee
-phoenix mile
-gateway?
-Iowa?

New Pavement:
-Dover
-Darlington
-homestead
-kentucky
-charlotte
-another ISC track

Points tallied for two sections of the series with ties going to the highest finish in the 3rd. This would allow the old car owners with dirt and old style cars to race for a championship, any new teams with dirt and new gen cars to run for the championship, and potentially allow pavement specialists a shot too. (or let the nascar devo guys just run a pavement schedule) i would think the dirt should be mandatory and choose your pavement variety with no reason a team with the means could not run all three sections.

just an idea to toss out there for thinking. there are some interesting aspects however some major hurdles could present themselves. just trying to think of something that doesnt slap anyone 100 percent. its not a good situation no matter how you hash it. flame away

[Dwight Clock]

Geoff, your basic idea is solid. I would make a couple of changes in the tracks used, however. Gateway is too fast for the old cars. I would replace that with New Hampshire. I would move Gateway to the New Generation schedule in place of Charlotte, which I feel is unsafe for even the new cars. And for your unnamed venue for the new cars I would use Nashville Super Speedway, a much safer track than any ISC venue. But, as I said, a great idea that would give everyone a shot at the championship.:thumb:

Originally Posted by GeoffDodge let me preface my pose with the fact i am only suggesting this as something interesting to think about as i have had a little fun mulling over the pro's and con's of the current situation with the silver crown series. i believe that the old SC cars are definately the real ones, but from a business perspective usac imo needs to take into consideration the people who have supported them in this snafu known as the new pavement car and to junk the new car all together would be a slap in the face to those that supported them in the new endeavor (not that it wasnt a slap to the original owners when they found out their cars were no longer legal) but two wrongs certainly doesnt make a right. the idea i had was 6 races on dirt, 6 races with the old cars, 6 races with the new cars. a gold crown would be cool but is another series to promote manage and make work which imo usac has plenty to keep their hands full now. a schedule might look like. Dirt: -manzy -terre haute -eldora -springfield -duquoin -indy Old Pavement: -IRP -Richmond -milwaukee -phoenix mile -gateway? -Iowa? New Pavement: -Dover -Darlington -homestead -kentucky -charlotte -another ISC track Points tallied for two sections of the series with ties going to the highest finish in the 3rd. This would allow the old car owners with dirt and old style cars to race for a championship, any new teams with dirt and new gen cars to run for the championship, and potentially allow pavement specialists a shot too. (or let the nascar devo guys just run a pavement schedule) i would think the dirt should be mandatory and choose your pavement variety with no reason a team with the means could not run all three sections. just an idea to toss out there for thinking. there are some interesting aspects however some major hurdles could present themselves. just trying to think of something that doesnt slap anyone 100 percent. its not a good situation no matter how you hash it. flame away

No flames here. Heck I love that idea with a little addition. Add Sacramento as a late year dirt race combined with the Turkey night races at a California dirt track (Perris?). That way you could help with a bigger car count and bring a great track back to the Silver Crown series.

Too bad we can't work Syracuse in on a weekend of it's own instead of a weekend with 4 other races all the same day at the same track.

None the less a great idea.

[RACEMS41]

You guys kill me. It's time to come up from the basement, take your hands out of your pants, turn the lights on and join the real world. Not one of you has a dime invested but all talk like you have the answers. Your "FANTASY" is bull. Most of these tracks do not want us. Why.... ? Because we don't draw fans. We lost most of the old tracks before the new gen cars came about. Roger Johnson put a great deal of effort in a Silver Crown promotion and got about 200 paid at Memphis. Phoenix and Millwaukee were on and off before the new gen cars. Gateway and on and on.
This isn't monopoly money you "POSERS" (posters) are talking about....It's real cash that hard working owners are spending on any of these cars.
Before somebody jumps on the PRA thing I will address that. If USAC with 52 years of experience couldn't make the old cars work how could someone else? Low car counts, high travel expense, high tire bills and low purses doesn't make for easy success. I admire them for trying but it was an uphill battle to say the least.
I look forward to our meeting on Monday maybe some positive light will be shed.
I for one of a few put my money where my mouth is. I have one Beast pavement Silver Crown car with 7 races on it and two Riley New Generation Silver Crown cars.
Kevin Miller and Jason Smith are bright men I am confident that we will go forward.
I am not afraid to sign my name.
JIM PATERNOSTER
USAC Silver Crown #41 owner

[wbr]

Originally Posted by GeoffDodge i believe that the old SC cars are definately the real ones, but from a business perspective usac imo needs to take into consideration the people who have supported them in this snafu known as the new pavement car and to junk the new car all together would be a slap in the face to those that supported them in the new endeavor (not that it wasnt a slap to the original owners when they found out their cars were no longer legal) but two wrongs certainly doesnt make a right.

Geoff, I had this conversation last night with a current SC owner and we are in agreement; just because they messed over the "old SC" owners doesn't mean it makes sence to do it again.:doh:

Jim, lighten up my friend. Much of what is thrown around here is purely fantasy. I feel your pain as you own 2 of the new gen cars. You have identified the problem with most of open wheel racing- NOT ENOUGH FANS! :headbang:

Anyone that can read this board has a stake in and can make a difference in the 2008 season, lets work together to make it better than this year and keep moving in that direction until open wheel is the greatest spectacle in racing once again.

[Dwight Clock]

Originally Posted by wbr Geoff, I had this conversation last night with a current SC owner and we are in agreement; just because they messed over the "old SC" owners doesn't mean it makes sence to do it again.:doh: Jim, lighten up my friend. Much of what is thrown around here is purely fantasy. I feel your pain as you own 2 of the new gen cars. You have identified the problem with most of open wheel racing- NOT ENOUGH FANS! :headbang: Anyone that can read this board has a stake in and can make a difference in the 2008 season, lets work together to make it better than this year and keep moving in that direction until open wheel is the greatest spectacle in racing once again.

Great post, Mark. I do not disagree at all with Jim's reference to the lack of fans. But what is the reason for that? Lack of promotion. Weekly tracks get away with that because they have multiple divisions that beef up the back gate. USAC Silver Crown events do not have that. The "Back Gate" mentality of promoters does not work for the SC. How often do you hear radio spots or see TV commercials for upcoming SC races? Or see posters for them? You don't, at least not very often. That is how promoters filled the seats in the past. SC promoters seem to rely on the hard core fan to fill the seats and there simply isn't enough of us any more. Look around at a SC event and you will see a lot of gray hair. Promoters have done nothing to attract new fans. And USAC's past stance that they are not promoters hasn't helped. An effort has to be put forth to attract these fans and until that effort is made the fault for that lays squarely on the shoulders of the same promoters who are complaining about the lack of fans.

dwight i would agree with all your schedule changes. i couldnt for the life of me think of another mile paved track and thought some once said gateway might have worked. (never even seen the place). and how could i forget nashville...at one time i had my own black mark on the turn two fence, perhaps thats why? in all seriousness nashville would be great. as far as being in the basement and clueless well i suppose i dont have a dime invested, and i really am just a dreamer on this one...hence the preface to my previous post jim. forgive me for thinking about your series, and please dont forget most of the people on here are IN the small group of fans you do speak of that love silver crown racing.

[RACEMS41]

Most likely the best attended SC pavement race last year was at Darlington. They had USAC's show car all over for a few weeks before the race. They also had full size billboards all over their area to PROMOTE!
As said the key is promotion and marketing.... This is supposed to be Kevin Miller's specialty. Maybe him and Jason can get it across to the USAC board that they need to self promote and not rely on the individual track promotors to do the job. Those days are gone it needs to be a combined effort to get people in the seats.
Many of our races last year the people that were in the stands for the other cars did not even know there was a SC race coming. Thats the tracks fault ..... then they blame car count etc. etc. Put the blame where it belonged.
There is way too much competition for the entertainment dollar to leave any promotion undone.

[Dwight Clock]

Originally Posted by RACEMS41 Most likely the best attended SC pavement race last year was at Darlington. They had USAC's show car all over for a few weeks before the race. They also had full size billboards all over their area to PROMOTE! As said the key is promotion and marketing.... This is supposed to be Kevin Miller's specialty. Maybe him and Jason can get it across to the USAC board that they need to self promote and not rely on the individual track promotors to do the job. Those days are gone it needs to be a combined effort to get people in the seats. Many of our races last year the people that were in the stands for the other cars did not even know there was a SC race coming. Thats the tracks fault ..... then they blame car count etc. etc. Put the blame where it belonged. There is way too much competition for the entertainment dollar to leave any promotion undone.

We are most certainly in agreement on that!